anukcs
09-13 03:46 PM
I am amazed in the solidarity just by seeing the responses. But if i think deeper, this rally is not for some national cause or for some greater benefit.
Every single person here is doing this for one's own SELFISH reasons. Why then are we talking like we are marching to save the planet or save the poor animals going to slaughter or human trafficking or AIDS prevention or even the war in Iraq.
Yes, we make things easy for people down the road (however that is not our true intention, our true intention is just about how to get the card faster) but trying to pull in more people to the rally by playing on people's guilt is not the approach. You say it like you see it. We want people to come so I CAN GET MY GREEN CARD SOONER. Thats all. So everyone has the same motive...thats all. Nothing more or nothing less. Everyone is going for A SELFISH INTEREST...nothing based on higher principles of duty, sacrifice or to ensure higher morals of life. Everything is for sensual enjoyment.
Dont write like we are seeking independence or freedom.
I guess...my head will start to roll...sorry for looking at things differently, I dont mean to find fault but i think this is just one big rally everyone wants to get their green card sooner. Nothing more than that...in my opinion..really not even about folks who may apply in 2010?
Tell me if there is anything that is not selfish. For me, even saving the world is SELFISH thing to do since you want to LIVE in it. We are fighting against a broken system. A system which is so unfair. You do not have to always fight for saving the world or saving lives.
Every single person here is doing this for one's own SELFISH reasons. Why then are we talking like we are marching to save the planet or save the poor animals going to slaughter or human trafficking or AIDS prevention or even the war in Iraq.
Yes, we make things easy for people down the road (however that is not our true intention, our true intention is just about how to get the card faster) but trying to pull in more people to the rally by playing on people's guilt is not the approach. You say it like you see it. We want people to come so I CAN GET MY GREEN CARD SOONER. Thats all. So everyone has the same motive...thats all. Nothing more or nothing less. Everyone is going for A SELFISH INTEREST...nothing based on higher principles of duty, sacrifice or to ensure higher morals of life. Everything is for sensual enjoyment.
Dont write like we are seeking independence or freedom.
I guess...my head will start to roll...sorry for looking at things differently, I dont mean to find fault but i think this is just one big rally everyone wants to get their green card sooner. Nothing more than that...in my opinion..really not even about folks who may apply in 2010?
Tell me if there is anything that is not selfish. For me, even saving the world is SELFISH thing to do since you want to LIVE in it. We are fighting against a broken system. A system which is so unfair. You do not have to always fight for saving the world or saving lives.
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ufo2002
11-08 04:33 PM
Let me ask you the opposite question : How does NOT passing CIR help us ?
I bet you don't have a convincing answer for that. Therefroe, it follows that CIR (even if it is not ideal) will be better than no bill being passed.
And all those anti-CIR folks please get this : It does NOT give instant citizenship to anyone, nor does it put these folks ahead of us in the line. Thats just rhetoric from the likes of numbersUSA and lou dobbs blindly being parroted by some morons/idiots/imbeciles here. The core team had repeated this several times when CIR was under discussion. CIR is definitely not ideal for us because of the possibility of collateral effect from USCIS being overwhelmed, but is that worse than our current situation of waiting till retirement for our PDs to become current ?
As rheoretro mentioned in an earlier post "Burning someone else's house down is not going to help us build our own". That is particularly true for us .. those who who are against illegal aliens are also against high skilled legals with a few honorable exceptions like Cornyn and Kyl. If that wasnt the case, the house and the senate would have passed SKIL in a jiffy by now. Its best for us to remain neutral on the illegal alien issue .. and back it to the extent that it benefits us through a piggy back ride.
Actually I do have a convincing answer... whether or not that bill passes, we are in a lose-lose situation. I have read the bill (not in its entirety like I already stated). I know that the amnesty section already specified there will be no immediate granting of citizenship, excepting the wording for those who have been in this country for more than 5/6 years seems to imply they would get citizenship (again, the way a bill is worded can be twisted in future).
What I am worried about is, I get the feeling this is going to end up dipping into our EB3 pool... we previously had a Sched A for physicians and nurses that took numbers out of EB3 exclusively for them.
And I don't listen to Lou Dobbs or NumbersUSA rantings. But if you kept your ears open more than 6 months ago, you would also have heard some Dems says some not-so-friendly things about us.
One prominent Dem senator said H1-Bs are not suffering as much as illegals.
Another prominent Dem said this country needed more farm workers, not more IT / skilled ppl.
Have a nice day, anyway.
I bet you don't have a convincing answer for that. Therefroe, it follows that CIR (even if it is not ideal) will be better than no bill being passed.
And all those anti-CIR folks please get this : It does NOT give instant citizenship to anyone, nor does it put these folks ahead of us in the line. Thats just rhetoric from the likes of numbersUSA and lou dobbs blindly being parroted by some morons/idiots/imbeciles here. The core team had repeated this several times when CIR was under discussion. CIR is definitely not ideal for us because of the possibility of collateral effect from USCIS being overwhelmed, but is that worse than our current situation of waiting till retirement for our PDs to become current ?
As rheoretro mentioned in an earlier post "Burning someone else's house down is not going to help us build our own". That is particularly true for us .. those who who are against illegal aliens are also against high skilled legals with a few honorable exceptions like Cornyn and Kyl. If that wasnt the case, the house and the senate would have passed SKIL in a jiffy by now. Its best for us to remain neutral on the illegal alien issue .. and back it to the extent that it benefits us through a piggy back ride.
Actually I do have a convincing answer... whether or not that bill passes, we are in a lose-lose situation. I have read the bill (not in its entirety like I already stated). I know that the amnesty section already specified there will be no immediate granting of citizenship, excepting the wording for those who have been in this country for more than 5/6 years seems to imply they would get citizenship (again, the way a bill is worded can be twisted in future).
What I am worried about is, I get the feeling this is going to end up dipping into our EB3 pool... we previously had a Sched A for physicians and nurses that took numbers out of EB3 exclusively for them.
And I don't listen to Lou Dobbs or NumbersUSA rantings. But if you kept your ears open more than 6 months ago, you would also have heard some Dems says some not-so-friendly things about us.
One prominent Dem senator said H1-Bs are not suffering as much as illegals.
Another prominent Dem said this country needed more farm workers, not more IT / skilled ppl.
Have a nice day, anyway.
CndnTN
01-28 02:34 PM
We are Canadian and on a visa, our son is an American citizen and we also cannot get the stimulus, not even our son's $300 which is wrong!
People do not care about the immigration problems because most do not know about them or understand them. It is a very unjust system that encourages illegal immigration and discourages allowing educated, upstanding people from coming here.
People do not care about the immigration problems because most do not know about them or understand them. It is a very unjust system that encourages illegal immigration and discourages allowing educated, upstanding people from coming here.
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starscream
06-19 04:08 PM
Does this Bill and all associated Amendents get the new introduction date or it will basically take over from the Last Bill and Amedments. I am asking this question because last bill saying 140 after May 15 will be invalidated. Is thi still valid for this Bill? or they are gonna use tomorrow's date.
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EBX-Man
03-28 01:23 PM
i read somewere spillover go in july. perchance i thinking that spillover go to eb2 while i am eb3 waiting. what chance now for spillover for eb3 getting some?
i thank all you for replies for help me get infermation to know spillover
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bigboy007
06-09 08:18 PM
I dont know why people are thinking CIR will be advantageous :
WHat does CIR do :
Lets divide in to Four categories :
1. PPL who has to still enter US
2. PPL who have not started GC
3. PPL whose Labor pending in BEC
4. PPL whose 140 pending or approved.
In each i have not seen advantages but these are disadvantages , please enlighten me about advantages over current system in each cases.
Case -1: THere are enough provisions like Increase in H1B fees, Eliminating contracting etc that would effect and truely we may not be worrying about this in this context.
Case -2: For people who have not stated GC yet , its utter chaos, as per the dates in CIR. Now point system is not tested, there are severe imbalancements , No up system yet in INS , no yet personnel allocation . I dont see any reason INS will be on to this even if passed for atleast 2 years.
Based on this even if people say 5 years or so , no one exactly knows it might even take more than 7 years becoz of initial filing delays , accessing points , etc . What about extensions in H1B , anyways H1B system is so scrwed up consultants will be reduced by atleast 50% , and only survive who can find an work around. after all this High filing will force many out. I dont see anything good with new system. No big diff in Visa allocations to say that it will be faster for ppl. H1B Cant be renewed 3 years. Now is there any advantage over old sytem ? I dont think so .
Case -3: People who were stuck in BEC. Its bigger problem for many people who are renewing H1 based on this. Now that cant do it . SO its again their issue.
Case -4: People who got I140 approved or pending , They wont be effected anyways.
Also there will be labor somewhere as becoz there will be some clause that aims at not displacing any american worker for sure.
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With all these there is only one drawback of current system , i.e. backlog. that is not addressed anyways in new system so whats the point?
Only if cantwell amendment finds its place in current form then is a hope in a hurricane else its utter waste.
WHat does CIR do :
Lets divide in to Four categories :
1. PPL who has to still enter US
2. PPL who have not started GC
3. PPL whose Labor pending in BEC
4. PPL whose 140 pending or approved.
In each i have not seen advantages but these are disadvantages , please enlighten me about advantages over current system in each cases.
Case -1: THere are enough provisions like Increase in H1B fees, Eliminating contracting etc that would effect and truely we may not be worrying about this in this context.
Case -2: For people who have not stated GC yet , its utter chaos, as per the dates in CIR. Now point system is not tested, there are severe imbalancements , No up system yet in INS , no yet personnel allocation . I dont see any reason INS will be on to this even if passed for atleast 2 years.
Based on this even if people say 5 years or so , no one exactly knows it might even take more than 7 years becoz of initial filing delays , accessing points , etc . What about extensions in H1B , anyways H1B system is so scrwed up consultants will be reduced by atleast 50% , and only survive who can find an work around. after all this High filing will force many out. I dont see anything good with new system. No big diff in Visa allocations to say that it will be faster for ppl. H1B Cant be renewed 3 years. Now is there any advantage over old sytem ? I dont think so .
Case -3: People who were stuck in BEC. Its bigger problem for many people who are renewing H1 based on this. Now that cant do it . SO its again their issue.
Case -4: People who got I140 approved or pending , They wont be effected anyways.
Also there will be labor somewhere as becoz there will be some clause that aims at not displacing any american worker for sure.
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With all these there is only one drawback of current system , i.e. backlog. that is not addressed anyways in new system so whats the point?
Only if cantwell amendment finds its place in current form then is a hope in a hurricane else its utter waste.
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Dakota Newfie
03-21 08:50 AM
It does make sense that the overflow numbers are given to higher preference categories in single state oversubscribed countries. When you think about it, will that not be the most beneficial to United States? Who would you prefer .... and Unskilled professional from a ROW category or a skilled worker from an Oversubscribed country. I would gather it would make more sense to give the opportunity to the higher skilled since the benefit to US will be higher
The more I read this form, the more I become disgruntled with this community! To say that someone from a lower class of visa and not from an "Oversubscribed country" (and I am assuming you mean India) is less skilled and less deserving than someone from a higher class and oversubscribed country is ludicrous to say the least. Each and everyone of us (and I mean "legal immigrants") have our own skill sets and contribute equally to the American society. As long as we are competent at what we do, then we are all SKILLED in our own way. The only real defining difference among the visa classes is the level of education not skill. To suggest one is better based on education alone is arrogance and nothing else!
The U.S. immigration system is not without its flaws and despite the delays and frustrations, it is FAIR! The per country limit is to ensure that citizens of ALL nations have an equal opportunity to immigrate to the U.S. and not just a select few. The only thing that I have found unfair as far as immigration in this country is concerned is the politicians' focused efforts to do something for the "illegal" immigrants at the expense of the "legal" immigrants.
We are all in this together and the insults and innuendos that dominate this forum divide us so let's stop them and focus on the real issues!
The more I read this form, the more I become disgruntled with this community! To say that someone from a lower class of visa and not from an "Oversubscribed country" (and I am assuming you mean India) is less skilled and less deserving than someone from a higher class and oversubscribed country is ludicrous to say the least. Each and everyone of us (and I mean "legal immigrants") have our own skill sets and contribute equally to the American society. As long as we are competent at what we do, then we are all SKILLED in our own way. The only real defining difference among the visa classes is the level of education not skill. To suggest one is better based on education alone is arrogance and nothing else!
The U.S. immigration system is not without its flaws and despite the delays and frustrations, it is FAIR! The per country limit is to ensure that citizens of ALL nations have an equal opportunity to immigrate to the U.S. and not just a select few. The only thing that I have found unfair as far as immigration in this country is concerned is the politicians' focused efforts to do something for the "illegal" immigrants at the expense of the "legal" immigrants.
We are all in this together and the insults and innuendos that dominate this forum divide us so let's stop them and focus on the real issues!
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02-14 03:36 PM
IV volunteer (moi) got a free lunch today + Promise of letters
The world is such a wonderful place.
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sb3300
10-15 08:15 AM
First of all I would like to Applaud the Consulate General of India - Houston for the phenomenal speedy service I received for my daughters PIO application via mail. I sent my application on Oct 1st 2010 and it's Oct 15th - we have already received her PIO along with our passports back!! All the information about delays which I had read online before submission seem to be rubbish.
Additional info: notarizing passports was hassle coz no one was ready to stamp the photocopy. Texan credit union manager made a letter with my passport information, took my signature and notarized it for free. I just attached the photocopies with her letter.
I sent the below mentioned documents from Dallas via $20 Express Mail USPS - with signature proof. Was delivered under 24 hours. CGI Houston returned our stuff in FEDEX.
For status update: I called the consulate 7 days after the delivery notification - (yes its tough getting through - but they do pick up the phone) the lady informed me the PIO card had been processed and will be sent soon.. Didn't realize it would be in next 3 - 4 days!
Below is the cover letter / list of documents I sent with my package from Dallas, TX:
To, 30 September 2010
Consulate General of India
1990 Post Oak Blvd. # 600
3 Post Oak Central
Houston, TX 77056
Subj.: Application for PIO Card _____________
Dear Sir/Madam,
Please find enclosed the following documents to support PIO card application for_(applicant)___________
� 2 Copies of - Application forms duly filled with signature of parents and thumb impression of applicant (my child being an infant - the thumb impression was just like a smudge mark from her thumb - no problem at all)
� 4 Passport sized photographs of applicant
� Certified Birth Certificate + 1 photocopy (I sent the original certificate along with a copy as it is not legal to notarize B.Certificate - which they returned)
� Original Passports of ________(applicant), ________________ (both parents)
� Notarized copy of Passport for ________(applicant), ________________ (both parents)
� Notarized copy of Passport Card for applicant ______________ (Not Necessary)
� Notarized copy of Marriage Certificate for parents ( __________________))
� Notarized copy of Texas Drivers License � _______________(1 parent - Address Proof)
� Bank Statement for (Address Proof)
� Money Order for $205 ($185 Application Charge + $20 Return Mailing Charges)
Please process the application at your earliest and oblige.
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Amazing!
Additional info: notarizing passports was hassle coz no one was ready to stamp the photocopy. Texan credit union manager made a letter with my passport information, took my signature and notarized it for free. I just attached the photocopies with her letter.
I sent the below mentioned documents from Dallas via $20 Express Mail USPS - with signature proof. Was delivered under 24 hours. CGI Houston returned our stuff in FEDEX.
For status update: I called the consulate 7 days after the delivery notification - (yes its tough getting through - but they do pick up the phone) the lady informed me the PIO card had been processed and will be sent soon.. Didn't realize it would be in next 3 - 4 days!
Below is the cover letter / list of documents I sent with my package from Dallas, TX:
To, 30 September 2010
Consulate General of India
1990 Post Oak Blvd. # 600
3 Post Oak Central
Houston, TX 77056
Subj.: Application for PIO Card _____________
Dear Sir/Madam,
Please find enclosed the following documents to support PIO card application for_(applicant)___________
� 2 Copies of - Application forms duly filled with signature of parents and thumb impression of applicant (my child being an infant - the thumb impression was just like a smudge mark from her thumb - no problem at all)
� 4 Passport sized photographs of applicant
� Certified Birth Certificate + 1 photocopy (I sent the original certificate along with a copy as it is not legal to notarize B.Certificate - which they returned)
� Original Passports of ________(applicant), ________________ (both parents)
� Notarized copy of Passport for ________(applicant), ________________ (both parents)
� Notarized copy of Passport Card for applicant ______________ (Not Necessary)
� Notarized copy of Marriage Certificate for parents ( __________________))
� Notarized copy of Texas Drivers License � _______________(1 parent - Address Proof)
� Bank Statement for (Address Proof)
� Money Order for $205 ($185 Application Charge + $20 Return Mailing Charges)
Please process the application at your earliest and oblige.
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Amazing!
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grupak
06-23 05:10 PM
Thank you for the participation everyone.
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nixstor
11-08 01:43 PM
I know many people who stopped comming to this forum (contributing), they just get tired of those insults. If someone has a different opinion, is immediately insulted
Regards
Kukitron
Why should they stop coming on to the forums and discuss things? Will those same people stop coming to the forum and post a question, if they have a looming personal immigration issue. On a public forum, there are gonna be rants and raves. You gotta have your opinion and let the other person rant and rant.. It lies in our thinking.
Regards
Kukitron
Why should they stop coming on to the forums and discuss things? Will those same people stop coming to the forum and post a question, if they have a looming personal immigration issue. On a public forum, there are gonna be rants and raves. You gotta have your opinion and let the other person rant and rant.. It lies in our thinking.
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05-21 05:38 PM
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amitjoey
06-14 01:29 PM
Friends,
Ofcourse everyone is very excited that the priority dates are current but let's take a careful look for why it became current all of a sudden even when the demand for visa numbers is so high and was backlogged by 5 years up until couple of months ago.
1. I sincerely feel this is just to keep the legal immigrants to stop protesting for benefits in the CIR. Well, the CIR is supposed to be dead right? Wrong, count 2 weeks from now and the Bill will be back with tons of benefits for Illegal aliens and none for legals.
2. Currently Service centers are processing cases received in Aug-Sept. '06 with the few thousands of applications being submitted for the next few weeks the processing dates will be moved back by couple of years. All this time we were waiting for the priority dates and now will wait for the processing dates to be advanced. What a circus!!!
3. Just when the case is ready for processing that would be atleast couple of years from now, the priority dates will be retrogressed may be by 10 years this time.
To my knoweledge we should still continue to lobby the senators and get the Visa numbers increased, get the country quota eliminated, Only one visa should be counted per family... and get it into the CIR. Should the CIR pass without these ammendments legal immigrants will be stuck in limbo for every because there will be no more CIRs in the near future.
TIA
CaliGC
YES!!. Perfect analysis. You are right!. The fight is ON!. It is just that members need to get this filing for 485 out of their way. But lets not get distracted too much and keep an eye on any legislation comming up.
Ofcourse everyone is very excited that the priority dates are current but let's take a careful look for why it became current all of a sudden even when the demand for visa numbers is so high and was backlogged by 5 years up until couple of months ago.
1. I sincerely feel this is just to keep the legal immigrants to stop protesting for benefits in the CIR. Well, the CIR is supposed to be dead right? Wrong, count 2 weeks from now and the Bill will be back with tons of benefits for Illegal aliens and none for legals.
2. Currently Service centers are processing cases received in Aug-Sept. '06 with the few thousands of applications being submitted for the next few weeks the processing dates will be moved back by couple of years. All this time we were waiting for the priority dates and now will wait for the processing dates to be advanced. What a circus!!!
3. Just when the case is ready for processing that would be atleast couple of years from now, the priority dates will be retrogressed may be by 10 years this time.
To my knoweledge we should still continue to lobby the senators and get the Visa numbers increased, get the country quota eliminated, Only one visa should be counted per family... and get it into the CIR. Should the CIR pass without these ammendments legal immigrants will be stuck in limbo for every because there will be no more CIRs in the near future.
TIA
CaliGC
YES!!. Perfect analysis. You are right!. The fight is ON!. It is just that members need to get this filing for 485 out of their way. But lets not get distracted too much and keep an eye on any legislation comming up.
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sam_hoosier
12-10 03:18 PM
Logiclife,
IV is a voluntary organisation. You can request people to volunteer, but cannot force them or scold them for not volunteering. This is not professional. They might have their reasons and the right to work their way. I agree with your frustration when people who signed to turn up do not show up. But I feel this is not the way to express it.
Ram
It is a voluntary organization, and like any other voluntary movement unless people contribute their time, money & effort IV will not be successful.
IV is a voluntary organisation. You can request people to volunteer, but cannot force them or scold them for not volunteering. This is not professional. They might have their reasons and the right to work their way. I agree with your frustration when people who signed to turn up do not show up. But I feel this is not the way to express it.
Ram
It is a voluntary organization, and like any other voluntary movement unless people contribute their time, money & effort IV will not be successful.
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Jimi_Hendrix
12-11 01:34 PM
Chapter meetups is a positive step. The so called baby step.... If folks RSVP and do not show up, the leaders will get upset if the same folks do not have the courtesy to tell why they did not show up....;)
First off, I don't appreciate your sarcasm @ 2 cents leading to a dollar. Secondly if your leader is going to scream at people who are not attending the meetings, this is only going to drive people away from IV. Unfortunately, as someone who has learnt it the hard way, using aggressive language (especially language which is a negative judgement on people's nature) does not get the work done at the end of the day. Peace out and good luck with your stuff.
First off, I don't appreciate your sarcasm @ 2 cents leading to a dollar. Secondly if your leader is going to scream at people who are not attending the meetings, this is only going to drive people away from IV. Unfortunately, as someone who has learnt it the hard way, using aggressive language (especially language which is a negative judgement on people's nature) does not get the work done at the end of the day. Peace out and good luck with your stuff.
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lotsofspace
12-10 04:30 PM
I completely understand the frustration expressed by logiclife.
We either fail to appreciate or choose to ignore the fact that not every one is in the same situation when it comes to GC. For some, it is THE THING. For some it is just Nice to Have and some don't care. If it comes as a by product of being here so be it. Some of more desperate than others ...
Most people around here are educated and know what they are doing. I believe that was their decision and they have every right to make that.
1) I have a friend of mine, he is gainfully employed for his skills and his wife needs to be in this place for next 5 years. So he does not bother as long as his company applies for 10 to 13 year H1 extension (Which they did). Never visits IV, does not really care what happens around here.... I don't blame him.
2) Another friend of mine joined at a junior level and can't wait to get out of here with AC21. Now that he has MBA, wants to move up with AC21 (know, it is not allowed now). I told this person about our omnibus and he contributed.
and other people fall all over the spectrum of interest from apathy to can't live without it.
If I were in logiclife's situation I probably would react the same way, but I am NOT the leader of the org :) :)
I doubt who frequent here would have felt bad about the logiclife's comments, because it was just logic life being logiclife. :)
At the same time I don't think calling some one coward persuaded any one to contribute monetarily , If they have not contributed so far or decided not to. It sure would have released some of the frustration of some active members :)
My Original Peaceful question again:
Does battering members without knowing a real cause and passing judgements and making snide remarks help this movement in any way?
Anyone ?
I know there may be a number of people here who don't care about participation. But I also know they are outnumbered by sensible/mature members.
Occasionally administrators here start an emotional post, which is taken highly positively by active followers but not general population. Then there begins a war, Lines are drawn with elephants/horses on both sides.
This place is a complete disaster when it comes to PR.
One Solution - Close this place and stop aggravating people.
Real Solution - Do what is right forge ahead with defined agenda, don't make people ashamed or left out or make snide remarks as leaders/followers or activists.
Keeping a movement alive needs strong and open minded leaders. I think there are plenty of those leaders at immigrationvoice, Logiclife may or may not be one of them, i don't know (never met him or talked to him, neither have the desire), You don't have to make people join the movement, movement is when people follow with their hearts.
Since I am back in "red" after one Logical question on Logiclife's post in three months, I will go back to my exile, and let activists/followers rule this movement.
Peace again..
It's a sad day to see IVers granting each other 'red squares' , and committed members asking each other to 'shut up'.
We are quick in jumping at each others throat for no apparent real reason ! Being part of a forum is sharing space with others, with those whom you disagree, and those who disagree with you. Argue logically, but don't make it a personal fight.
Don't agree with someone, make your displeasure known. If things seem to be getting hotter, ignore the other person. Live and let live. We have bigger issues to worry here - GC mess - instead of who said what !
Agreed. But I am not surprised that oldmonk got reds. :(
For all those who want to make it pay site, I guess the core must have thought about it already and make it one if that makes sense.
We either fail to appreciate or choose to ignore the fact that not every one is in the same situation when it comes to GC. For some, it is THE THING. For some it is just Nice to Have and some don't care. If it comes as a by product of being here so be it. Some of more desperate than others ...
Most people around here are educated and know what they are doing. I believe that was their decision and they have every right to make that.
1) I have a friend of mine, he is gainfully employed for his skills and his wife needs to be in this place for next 5 years. So he does not bother as long as his company applies for 10 to 13 year H1 extension (Which they did). Never visits IV, does not really care what happens around here.... I don't blame him.
2) Another friend of mine joined at a junior level and can't wait to get out of here with AC21. Now that he has MBA, wants to move up with AC21 (know, it is not allowed now). I told this person about our omnibus and he contributed.
and other people fall all over the spectrum of interest from apathy to can't live without it.
If I were in logiclife's situation I probably would react the same way, but I am NOT the leader of the org :) :)
I doubt who frequent here would have felt bad about the logiclife's comments, because it was just logic life being logiclife. :)
At the same time I don't think calling some one coward persuaded any one to contribute monetarily , If they have not contributed so far or decided not to. It sure would have released some of the frustration of some active members :)
My Original Peaceful question again:
Does battering members without knowing a real cause and passing judgements and making snide remarks help this movement in any way?
Anyone ?
I know there may be a number of people here who don't care about participation. But I also know they are outnumbered by sensible/mature members.
Occasionally administrators here start an emotional post, which is taken highly positively by active followers but not general population. Then there begins a war, Lines are drawn with elephants/horses on both sides.
This place is a complete disaster when it comes to PR.
One Solution - Close this place and stop aggravating people.
Real Solution - Do what is right forge ahead with defined agenda, don't make people ashamed or left out or make snide remarks as leaders/followers or activists.
Keeping a movement alive needs strong and open minded leaders. I think there are plenty of those leaders at immigrationvoice, Logiclife may or may not be one of them, i don't know (never met him or talked to him, neither have the desire), You don't have to make people join the movement, movement is when people follow with their hearts.
Since I am back in "red" after one Logical question on Logiclife's post in three months, I will go back to my exile, and let activists/followers rule this movement.
Peace again..
It's a sad day to see IVers granting each other 'red squares' , and committed members asking each other to 'shut up'.
We are quick in jumping at each others throat for no apparent real reason ! Being part of a forum is sharing space with others, with those whom you disagree, and those who disagree with you. Argue logically, but don't make it a personal fight.
Don't agree with someone, make your displeasure known. If things seem to be getting hotter, ignore the other person. Live and let live. We have bigger issues to worry here - GC mess - instead of who said what !
Agreed. But I am not surprised that oldmonk got reds. :(
For all those who want to make it pay site, I guess the core must have thought about it already and make it one if that makes sense.
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BharatPremi
03-14 02:19 PM
o.k..I read some of your old posts (but not thorougly) and I was confused (I guess you have done lot of research) - so can you explain again ?
in yr opinion - does it mean EB3(I) won't go back to april 2001 ?
I guess by "what happened in 2002 - 2004" - you mean lawyers filed most cases in EB3 ..am I right ?
would appreciate yr reply ..Thanks !!
I am not saying it will not go back to APR 2001. USCIS can and will do anything. Bottomline is that adverse effect of APR 2001 is practically over except some residual ones ( residual cases also could be in hundreds). So now if uSCIS is taking any category back to APR 2001 it will merely be a game to keep particular catgeory stopped for a while. USCIS need one case to do that and it will surely have at least one case.
in yr opinion - does it mean EB3(I) won't go back to april 2001 ?
I guess by "what happened in 2002 - 2004" - you mean lawyers filed most cases in EB3 ..am I right ?
would appreciate yr reply ..Thanks !!
I am not saying it will not go back to APR 2001. USCIS can and will do anything. Bottomline is that adverse effect of APR 2001 is practically over except some residual ones ( residual cases also could be in hundreds). So now if uSCIS is taking any category back to APR 2001 it will merely be a game to keep particular catgeory stopped for a while. USCIS need one case to do that and it will surely have at least one case.
chmur
04-11 11:50 PM
Historically, 5 years for end-to-end GC process is not considered as catastrophic delay...
There is a good chance that 2005 PD might get approved in 2010 summer , even with current system unless USCIS looses more visa #s. So IV and all of us have to scream at high pitch and frequently so that no more Visa #s are lost. I think it is happening
2003 this summer , 2004 in 09 and 2005 in 2010 is quite possible.
Now if we all contribute more $$$ to IV we can expedite the above time table.
data indicates some movement in approvals for EB3-I in last 3 weeks. sorry IV , unless sorting issue is fixed, rich data is not of much use . Example: sort by PD's does string sorting instead of date sorting .
Cheer up ...it will happen
There is a good chance that 2005 PD might get approved in 2010 summer , even with current system unless USCIS looses more visa #s. So IV and all of us have to scream at high pitch and frequently so that no more Visa #s are lost. I think it is happening
2003 this summer , 2004 in 09 and 2005 in 2010 is quite possible.
Now if we all contribute more $$$ to IV we can expedite the above time table.
data indicates some movement in approvals for EB3-I in last 3 weeks. sorry IV , unless sorting issue is fixed, rich data is not of much use . Example: sort by PD's does string sorting instead of date sorting .
Cheer up ...it will happen
gconmymind
05-01 06:58 PM
^^
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